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PostSubject: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Tue 9 Aug - 8:47


Hi,

I am trying to import a COLLADA .dae file that I made today using the Import Tool, but the tool isn't playing ball..

Here's what the execution log says:

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>>> Copy <romanhouse01.dae> to work folder
===========[ Converting 'romanhouse01.dae' ]=============
Command:  \"C:/Users/admin/TGOR/Files/Models/CONVERT/romanhouse01.dae\"
===========================================================
ERROR [2011-08-08 22:45:24,040] ColladaMeshReader    TODO: Add support for polylist
ERROR [2011-08-08 22:45:24,041] ColladaMeshReader    TODO: Add support for polylist
 
===[ Copying ]=============================================
>>> From   <C:\Users\admin\TGOR\Files\Models\CONVERT>

Command failed on file <romanhouse01.dae>
Details:
  The path is not of a legal form.

>>> Copy <roman_house_01.dae> to work folder
===========[ Converting 'roman_house_01.dae' ]=============
Command:  \"C:/Users/admin/TGOR/Files/Models/CONVERT/roman_house_01.dae\"
===========================================================
ERROR [2011-08-08 22:45:25,530] ColladaMeshReader    TODO: Add support for polylist
ERROR [2011-08-08 22:45:25,531] ColladaMeshReader    TODO: Add support for polylist
 
===[ Copying ]=============================================
>>> From   <C:\Users\admin\TGOR\Files\Models\CONVERT>

Command failed on file <roman_house_01.dae>
Details:
  The path is not of a legal form.

As you can see, none of the directories have spaces (which the Wiki article warns about). What does it mean by a 'legal form'?

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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Wed 10 Aug - 7:58

Check to make sure that your repository is set in the model viewer there should be another
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===[ Copying ]=============================================
>>> To   <C:\RespositoryDirectory>
===========================================================

there should also be a checked target asset repository under repositories

Also this ERROR [2011-08-08 22:45:24,040] ColladaMeshReader TODO: Add support for polylist
means that most likely in maya or max I dont know which you used you made a group or collection or parented the objects it might cause you some trouble...sometimes it works sometimes it fails
Generally speaking try to combined all of the meshes (upto about 30000 triangles) that you can to save on rendering time. If different parts of the models have different texture files it will automatically turn them into submeshes.
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Wed 10 Aug - 8:34

Ok, thanks for that.

However, I modelled the file in Wings3D, and the whole model is only one cube and an extrusion for the roof, with the outer edges brought in for the triangular effect. There aren't any groups or collections, just 2 objects... There is one texture, which covers everything (I've attached it so you can see what I mean.



I'll play around with it, and perhaps attempt to combine the roof and cube together. Hopefully that won't affect the UV mapping, because that took a while to sort out (still learning to use Wings3D!). Then again, I can always just copy the sections across on the texture file with GIMP I guess.

Cheers for your help so far!
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Thu 11 Aug - 2:10

Ok, the model has finally sorted itself out, and is now converting correctly.
Well, at least the sword I just made converted properly... I'll try out the house later on.

The problem now, is that when I view the models in the Model Viewer, nothing shows up. Just this:



I exported the sword from Wings3D using the COLLADA .dae exporter (which comes built-in), and the .jpg file was with it in the same folder. As you can see at the bottom, the height is only 0.001 Meters, whereas the Multiverse Axe is something like 0.6 meters. I had this problem with the house as well, when trying to view it as a .dae file. I changed the size in Wings3D (in fact, I scaled it a few times and attempted to view it in the Viewer, but the meter size didn't change at all..

When I converted it using the converter, here are the settings I used:



The file was exported to the assets folder used by the World Editor, but it didn't show up in the Create Object List. Also, something I noticed, is that whenever I tried to place a weapon on the ground in World editor (one of the MV weapons), nothing actually happened. There was no weapon under the cursor to be dropped - odd.

But my main concern is that the importing tool doesn't seem to be working... Could it be to do with the fact that I'm using Wings3D, and not 3DS Max or Maya? I'm pretty loathe to buy any 3d modelling packages, to be honest... It would also be incredibly short-sighted of Multiverse to not accept models from other applications as well.

I must say, I am very very confused. Multiverse really needs to get back together and working on this, as it's a nightmare to use at the moment...
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Thu 11 Aug - 3:50

In the screenshot of the model viewer nothing is showing up under submeshes which implies that it did not convert correctly
Can you try sending me the .dae file? my guess is that the Wings3D collada converter is exporting incorrectly does the exporter have any settings you can change? if so take a screen shot of the settings and post it here

In particular if there are any settings similar to these turn them on
Bake Transforms
Static Curve Removal
Triangulate
Export References
Dereference

To save yourself sometime you can open dae files directly in the model viewer to see if they will be recognized (they will still need to be converted but at least you will know if they work)
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Thu 11 Aug - 4:56

Hi,

Thanks for replying so quickly!

I noticed that no sub meshes were showing, which gave me the impression that the issue wasn't the physical size of the model (i.e. way to small!)

Here's a link to the files on my MediaFire - mediafire.com ?whmyxnnqwmqy8. I did try both the .dae and the .mesh file in the Model Viewer - got the same result (I've also uploaded the house, which was the original problem, with its texture)

I even exported the file as a .3ds, then imported it into Blender (which showed up perfectly) and re-exported it as a COLLADA, but got the same result as before. I've uploaded the .3DS file as well with the accompanying texture (made its own one apparently!)

I've found an exporter that does it directly to the OGRE mesh (which is apparently the same as the MV one), but the download link on their website is dead - less than ideal.

I can't seem to find any settings for the exporter, though I have located the plugin files in the program files. The file is a .BEAM file, not sure if I can edit it or not..

Thanks for your help!

(EDIT - just realised that the MediaFire link takes you through an advert - sorry about that!
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 12 Aug - 6:47

I took a look at your .dae it looks like the main problem is that it is not triangulated is there a setting in your modelling program to triangulate the model?
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 12 Aug - 6:56

It looks like it is triangulated but the exported named it as polylist so if you open the dae in an editor and replace all of the polylists strings with triangles it will work
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 12 Aug - 7:39

The model wasn't triangulated originally (or at least I don't think so), so I've triangulated it in Wings3D. I'll check it out in the Model Viewer and get back to you.

EDIT - Ok, it didn't work at all.... How do I change from polylist to triangulate?
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 12 Aug - 7:45

Right, I've worked out what you mean by changing to triangles. I opened the file, and found the following: (I'm not going to lie, it's very very long)
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 12 Aug - 8:15

You are looking for this
<polylist count="114" material="sword">
you should just be able to do a find and replace polylist to triangles most editors have one
if it doesnt consider using either jedit or notepad++ both of them have it when you hit ctrl + f

Incidentally that file may not be triangulated so I dont know if it will work to just replace the one you send me was triangulated (I think if you look at <vcount> if all of following numbers are 3s then it was triangulated but I am not positive)
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 12 Aug - 8:37

I did a find and replace for all instances of polylist in the file, but the model viewer just produced an error. I've got to admit, this is beginning to get on my nerves...

I'm going to try out Autodesk 3DS Max Design 2012, and see if this is the solution. Perhaps it's the fact that Wings3D is outdated software and not maintained (like Multiverse!)

Oh, and check out this post - Update from Multiverse - an interesting update!
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 27 Jul - 6:57

Nope, Something isnt right between 3dsmax and export, I use 3dsmax 2012 x64 and though I can view my exported models in the model viewer just fine, when I try to place them in the world editor it throws and exception about the original .dae version of the model not being found. which if you look in the sample assets there are no other .dae models to be found. so one more confusing aspect of multiverse that needs addressed is conversion tools that acculy work on systems other than those that belong to the foundation. OR a step by step by step explanation of how to correctly do these things. but atm im working on headache #1, getting the master server to start and run successfuly. affraid affraid

instead of recreating everything the original dev team did, why not improve on it and make things more simple? like say add .3ds , .obj, .fbx extentions to the engine instead of forceing us to use .mesh in a pipline that is complex and frustrating enough to make people want to kick kittens and put babies on spikes trying to figure this stuff out?
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PostSubject: Re: Converting models with COLLADA Import Tool   Fri 27 Jul - 7:12

It uses the .mesh because the underlying rendering engine (axiom which is a c-sharp port of ogre) uses that as its model format... it would be extremely difficult to rewrite the rendering engine to support it. Also that means that you would be distributing the source files of the model which makes it incredibly easy to reuse some ones models outside of multiverse.

Are you viewing the .mesh models or the .dae models in the model viewer? the model viewer can display .dae models.
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